Comments on: Eternal unstable? http://www.aigarius.com/blog/2006/09/03/eternal-unstable/ Mindblogging the world to itself Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:39:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Aigarius Blog » Did I miss anything? http://www.aigarius.com/blog/2006/09/03/eternal-unstable/#comment-1182 Aigarius Blog » Did I miss anything? Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:26:14 +0000 http://www.aigarius.com/blog/2006/09/03/eternal-unstable/#comment-1182 [...] The dunk-tank scandal ended just like I thought it would. As one could imply from my eternal unstable concept, I do not see making releases as a the main thing that Debian contributes to the society - it is more about the integration and cross-empowerment of all the packages that Debian has. In that context, making a release is a not the most important job in Debian, but it need to be done from time to time. Release management combines technical and social challenges - there is not much of novelty in it (I imagine). So, from this perspective, there is nothing bad in money being paid to do this mundane and hard work, if we really, really need to release in a specific time frame (IMHO the only reason to release Debian in 2006, as opposed to 2008, is the Lars tattoo bet). If we return to “release when its ready” paradigm and aim for about one release every 2-3 years (and I see nothing really wrong with that) then paying release manager will not be needed. Money is about getting things done on a schedule. It does not make things good (or bad). It does not make thing important (or not). It make things go by the schedule (unless you pay by the hour). It is the obvious solution to releasing Debian in December. Now two questions need to be answered - will it work? and do we really want to release in December? [...] [...] The dunk-tank scandal ended just like I thought it would. As one could imply from my eternal unstable concept, I do not see making releases as a the main thing that Debian contributes to the society - it is more about the integration and cross-empowerment of all the packages that Debian has. In that context, making a release is a not the most important job in Debian, but it need to be done from time to time. Release management combines technical and social challenges - there is not much of novelty in it (I imagine). So, from this perspective, there is nothing bad in money being paid to do this mundane and hard work, if we really, really need to release in a specific time frame (IMHO the only reason to release Debian in 2006, as opposed to 2008, is the Lars tattoo bet). If we return to “release when its ready” paradigm and aim for about one release every 2-3 years (and I see nothing really wrong with that) then paying release manager will not be needed. Money is about getting things done on a schedule. It does not make things good (or bad). It does not make thing important (or not). It make things go by the schedule (unless you pay by the hour). It is the obvious solution to releasing Debian in December. Now two questions need to be answered - will it work? and do we really want to release in December? [...]

]]> By: Rob http://www.aigarius.com/blog/2006/09/03/eternal-unstable/#comment-217 Rob Sun, 03 Sep 2006 00:52:56 +0000 http://www.aigarius.com/blog/2006/09/03/eternal-unstable/#comment-217 Great blog! I've added a link to your blog on Blog of the Day under the category of Computer. To view the feature of your blog, please visit <a href="http://blogoftheday.org/page/112192" rel="nofollow">http://blogoftheday.org/page/112192</a> Great blog! I’ve added a link to your blog on Blog of the Day under the category of Computer. To view the feature of your blog, please visit http://blogoftheday.org/page/112192

]]> By: Radu Spineanu http://www.aigarius.com/blog/2006/09/03/eternal-unstable/#comment-216 Radu Spineanu Sat, 02 Sep 2006 23:33:02 +0000 http://www.aigarius.com/blog/2006/09/03/eternal-unstable/#comment-216 As a fellow passive D-D I share your feelings. When I started using debian, i chose unstable because i didn't mind having the ocosional breakage, but loved to have all the latest versions of programs. Now, i keep remembering how long was the wait for Xorg, i can only guess how long it will take for AIXGL to enter unstable. Ubuntu also seems more courageous with trying new technoloogies (Upstart is the latest example). As a fellow passive D-D I share your feelings.

When I started using debian, i chose unstable because i didn’t mind having the ocosional breakage, but loved to have all the latest versions of programs.

Now, i keep remembering how long was the wait for Xorg, i can only guess how long it will take for AIXGL to enter unstable.

Ubuntu also seems more courageous with trying new technoloogies (Upstart is the latest example).

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